Gilt at day 118!

jensilver12 · Post by **jensilver12** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:34 am

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum although I have been a lurker for several months. I appreciate some of the great advice that you all give. Now I have a question about a gilt. Right out of college I managed a 2600 sow unit here in our state and was very familiar with inducing sows or gilts for that matter. I now am a school teacher and have been for 5 years. We have a show pig program at the school and raise and show all of our own stock and have been very successful doing so. The first gilt that we had at school the first year I taught I induced at day 115 and she had a very difficult birth and I had to pull 8 of her 12 piglets and she ended up with one retained piglet. Neither I nor the vet could get it out. We ended up giving the gilt to a petting zoo because we didn't want to put her throught that again. Anyway to make a long story short, that is the last pig I have induced. Since then I have had a sow that always has her pigs on time or early.

My husband and I recently moved to a farm and are able to raise pigs there as well. We have a XL daughter bred to paintball at home that was due on Monday and still has not farrowed. I spoke to my vet on Wednesday morning and she still had no milk, my vet said without her having milk she would not induce her. Well, on Wednesday evening she had milk and here I am on Friday still with no piglets! Finally this morning I told my husband that I was gonna induce her. So at 6:30 this morning I gave her 2cc of lut in the pereniam (sp). I was just so wary of doing this becuase of the bad experience I had. Do you all think that I made the right decision? Should I have induced her sooner or just left her go?

Thanks for the advice!

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Darin · Post by **Darin** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 9:39 am

You did fine. I would have induced her to farrow on day 116 if it were me. Your previous experience with inducing probably had nothing to do with her difficult labor. By waiting it likely would have been even more difficult.

Good luck. Keep us posted on how she does and welcome to the forum.

kimleypigs · Post by **kimleypigs** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 11:12 am

I agree with Darin. We usually induce by day 116 from the first AI. We have been really fortunate this year to have most laboring on time or soon after so we haven't had to induce too many. I bet she will have them soon! Good Luck!!

SpotShowDad · Post by **SpotShowDad** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:53 pm

I agree with everyone else, you did the right thing by inducing her. Everyday that goes by those pigs are getting bigger, increasing the odds for a difficult delivery. Inducing her does not guarantee a simple delivery but at least you are no longer prolonging it.

I too have worked on commercial sow units and we also induced (with high sucess) but it is not a miracle "cure".

I found this interesting and maybe Darin can chime in pro or con but a local vet (old livestock vet, prolly forgot more than we'll ever know) recommends inducing sows by giving 2cc of lutylase in the evening and following that with a seond shot of 2cc the next morning and she will farrow by supper time the second evening. One of my buddies has used this protocol and had mixed sucess. Mostly good but one gilt did end up with 4 stillborn pigs total (no live) but we're not sure this is the result of inducing her.

Best of Luck

Mark

Darin · Post by **Darin** » Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:41 pm

Ok,

I have posted about this before, but I couldn't find the old post to cut and paste, so I'll do it again.

From paper 646, Proceedings of the 17th IPVS Congress, Ames, IA 2002 - Volume 2.

A comparison of lutalyse and estrumate in a two-injection farrowing induction program.

This study found no significant difference between lutalyse and estrumate. The study references work done by Dr. Roy Kirkwood that showed single-injection induction resulted in 61% farrowing response vs. 86% for two-injection.

In the study, sows were injected with with .5 ml lutalyse twice 6 hours apart on day 114 of gestation OR .25ml of estrumate twice 6 hours apart on day 114 of gestation. For lut. 95.9% farrowed the next day. For estrumate 96.6% farrowed the next day. By the end of day 116 99.4% and 100% had farrowed resepectively.

Therefore it was proven that a 2-shot protocol is very effective using only half the total recommended dosage. Some have used an 8-hour interval with similar success (for those who want to inject before work and again after work for example).

So if you are using lutalyse, you an inject 1/2cc in the morning and another 1/2cc in the afternoon and be reasonably sure that the sows will farrow the next day.

machog · Post by **machog** » Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:19 am

How did it go? any up dates?

jensilver12 · Post by **jensilver12** » Sun Jan 31, 2010 2:54 pm

Well thanks everyone for the advice. Friday afternoon around t3:30 or so she had her first pig and by 4:15 she had had 7 piglets and a small amout of after-birth. Th pigs were not large at all I was expecting them to be big! Then her labor stalled about an hour and I reached her and could feel one pig starting to come into the birth canal. So I gave her a 1/2cc of oxy and she then delivered two more. So as of today we have 6 boars and 3 gilts sired by Paintball. Momma is doing a great job with them!

Now my gilt at the hich school I teach at is due tomorrow. She is a Tap Out daughter due to have a Right Choice litter. What does everyone think of his or Paintball pigs? Just curious as to how the may turn out. Thanks!

Ericka · Post by **Ericka** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:06 am

Can you post pics of the Paintball litter. I have a litter due the 16th or 17th. You can see our gilt on topic how many do you think are in there. Did you get crazy markings?

jensilver12 · Post by **jensilver12** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:26 pm

I dont know how to post pics on here if I can figure it out I will. The pigs have cool markings. The gilt I have hase a black head and tail (thats why we call her Quarters LOL!) so she is different herself to start with. I have three that just have black heads, one that has a black head and some neat spots over his ham that look like the #8, the rest look hampy with a little more white up their back legs(they look like paintball).