No signs of labor.

[hog-it]

Have a sow that was due yesterday, gave her 1cc of lute in am. and another (1cc) 12 hours later. Today she has no signs of labor, I called the vet, told me to give her 2cc (at noon) about half hour later she was really restless, heavy breathing, biting the create and up and down for a few hours. Now she is resting. doesn't appear to be in any pain/labor. 8O Whats next? When do I give more Lutalyse?

[Piggy]

Your first mistake was not giving the correct amount of lute the first time. the recommended dose is 2 cc's. You should see farrowing in approx 24-27 hours. when you gave the correct amount the second time, you saw that it was working, but she won't have her pigs until some time later, they do calm down. Just watch her. From the amount you used, hard to say when she may farrow. Do a search, there are some great post from hogdoc here about how to use lute and what works best with it. piggy

[hog-it]

Called the vet once again and was told to give oxytocin in the morning.. Have heard bad things about giving it before pigs are in labor. Thinking about waiting it out, but don't want the piglets to get any bigger.

[reunionridgefarm]

do the search that piggy said there are alot of different styles and methods to use the lute . use Oxy at .5cc for the second shot via mucosal injection which i assume thats what your vet told you to do . but any way i have been using 1/2 cc lute in crease between the vulva and the hair this year 2 shots 6 hrs apart and so far it has worked like clock work just like the 2cc shot at once in the neck but the 2 shots seems to be easier on the hog and the crate,lol. but i did read a while back some folks said lute does nothing to thier sows . good luck

[mtbkmom]

when you say in the crease between the hairline and the vulva--do you shoot from the crease in the direction of the vulva OR from the crease in the direction of the butt tissue itself????

[DrAmy]

I normally recommend giving all Lutalyse or oxytocin in this crease beside the vulva. Use a small needle - a 20g by 3/4" works fine or even smaller if you have it will be OK. And you just inject perpendicular to the skin, so don't necessarily direct the needle either way. There is a tremendous blood supply in this area around the time of farrowing, so the drugs are absorbed quickly and get to work fast. They also have a chance to work before they are excreted by the lungs - therefore smaller doses are required. In addition, the sows generally don't even flinch when you give shots there, so you don't disturb her at all as she is getting ready to farrow.

As for the dose and administration of Lutalyse, there are multiple options and methods out there. I generally go with 3/4 - 1 cc beside the vulva and expect to see farrowing start 24-36 hours later. There is some debate about following up with 1/2 cc oxytocin 24 hours after the Lutalyse to get farrowing started. I think this is fine as long as you are going to be around to assist if needed. It is true that we don't want to overuse oxytocin during the farrowing process since it can cause more stillborns if you are not careful.

[hog-it]

Thanks Dr.Amy for your reply, gave .5 oxy and she farrowed in the afternoon with out any problems all healthy

[chance]

if i go with the protocol that i plan on-should i give the 2cc lut shot vulva mucousal 24 hrs before my 2nd shot of oxy(.25) or is it ok to still give in back of neck-not wanting to debate what i'm giving to induce. just wanting to know where i should give the lute. was planning on doing im lute in neck and oxy in the hoohaa. lol

[DrAmy]

Chance - My preference is the smaller dose beside the vulva. If you go IM in the neck, you do still need the 2cc dose. But the perivulvar technique only requires 3/4-1 cc. Either way, you can follow with the oxytocin 24 hours later to initiate farrowing if you want. I mentioned in my previous posts the reasons for giving all Lutalyse and oxytocin injections beside the vulva - I like it a lot better. And as far as giving them inside the vulva in the vaginal mucosa or besdie the vulva on the outside, either will work the same way and are fine choices.

[PINELOG_PIGS]

Dr Amy, I have read that estramate is easier on the sow is this right? and if so is the dosage the same?

[DrAmy]

Lutalyse and Estrumate are both synthetic prostaglandins and do exert the same effect of inducing sows to farrow. The biggest issue with Lutalyse is that it will often cause exagerated "nesting" behavior in sows after it is given. This causes sows to bang around their stalls a lot. It is true that Estrumate does not have these behavioral side effects. I do usually go with the same dose on either drug.

However, Estrumate is only approved and labelled for cattle, not pigs. Therefore, your vet has to write a prescription for extra-label use. There are some legal issues as to what we can and cannot prescribe for extra-label use and why, so it is up to your vet to decide if this is something that they will prescribe or not.

[Newtopiggin]

I would like to know how long after the .5cc of oxygen is given does gilt actually produce 1st piglet, I have a first time gilt and her breed date was Sept 14th and Sept 16th she never stood well for breeding and we went ahead anyways as the straw of sperm purchased needed to be used or wasted she had recieved her shot to come into heat and we had waited the 3 to 5 days with first breed on day 4 and second on day 6 after the pg shot given, she intact is pregnant first due date according to online pig calculator at January 6th or January 8th according to her AI BREED DATES, after no farrowing on Monday the 9th we gave her 2cc of lutalyse in her neck I'M, 38 HRS LATER AND NO LABOR she bagged up squinted Milk and nested vigorous for 90 minutes then nothing and by Tuesday night Milk was not able to be stripped from bag again so we gave her 1cc of lute in the tissue next to her vulva wondering how soon or if we should give the .5cc of oxygen, and when should I be expecting if it does work

[KSFarmer]

NewtoPiggin

What ended up happening? Did you get a healthy litter?