Cross to a york

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Cross to a york

Post by Jssp » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:13 pm

We just started breeding show pigs few ago. Been keeping replacement gilts to breed back to. Problem is seems every generation is harder farrowing. Mainly due too bone and vulva size. Does it make sense to anyone to add a York in every once in awhile for ease of farrowing and litter size?

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by buckibri » Sat Jan 28, 2017 7:36 pm

Part of the issue with show pigs is the stupid level of bone many are trying to include but also frame size and most importantly is the very bad selection on incorrect rump structure. Jet level rumps as they are called is the best selection pressure we can do to make incorrect pelvic structure in gilts.

C sections are only $350. Weaning 3-4 pigs per litter makes sense.

So, your question, either maternal semen from IBS or SGI or frozen semen from boars from the 1990's are part of the solution.

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by Jssp » Sun Jan 29, 2017 12:08 pm

Bump

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by Norm » Mon Jan 30, 2017 7:55 pm

Your breeding program, your call. My philosophy is cross on cross on cross will just give you mutts. Selection pressure for vulva size and number born alive can help, but it takes time. Lots of ways to go, but if you can start with a foundation sow and keep daughters it stacks the deck in your favor. I personally use my off age litters to generate keeper gilts, Farrow them once before I need them to be show pigs. Have used York, Hampshire, and cross pigs to make sows. Depends on your goals for your herd.

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by SPRINGBRANCH » Fri Feb 03, 2017 8:44 pm

Norm wrote:Your breeding program, your call. My philosophy is cross on cross on cross will just give you mutts. Selection pressure for vulva size and number born alive can help, but it takes time. Lots of ways to go, but if you can start with a foundation sow and keep daughters it stacks the deck in your favor. I personally use my off age litters to generate keeper gilts, Farrow them once before I need them to be show pigs. Have used York, Hampshire, and cross pigs to make sows. Depends on your goals for your herd.
i like cross to cross pigs, but i'm with Norm on use my off age litters for keepers and for farrowing gilts. i think keeping the females bred to farrow 2X a year keeps them in better shape too.

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by Norm » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:30 pm

Spring Branch,
Where does the boar you picked up from Darin fit into your breeding program?

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Post by Darin » Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:30 pm

I'm sure Doug will comment on how Alamo fits into his program, but I'll add my two cents. I think Alamo is an excellent option for making showpig mommas. He's got the little extra frame size, a strong maternal background and still enough stoutness and showring style to make winners. He was a class-winner at WPX himself and I think he can sire winning barrows and productive females.
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Re: Cross to a york

Post by SPRINGBRANCH » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:42 pm

Darin wrote:I'm sure Doug will comment on how Alamo fits into his program, but I'll add my two cents. I think Alamo is an excellent option for making showpig mommas. He's got the little extra frame size, a strong maternal background and still enough stoutness and showring style to make winners. He was a class-winner at WPX himself and I think he can sire winning barrows and productive females.

Bingo!

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by Norm » Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:10 am

Website has this boar listed as a crossbred. Is he available to make registered litters?

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Re: Cross to a york

Post by Darin » Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:59 pm

Norm wrote:Website has this boar listed as a crossbred. Is he available to make registered litters?
Yes, he's a registered York. Class 4 winning Yorkshire from 2016 World Pork Expo. They must have made a mistake on the website.
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