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Post by COshowdad » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:48 pm

For the people that have used him, what did you see from his babies, what did he add and where does he need to be protected

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Post by bcbully » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:10 pm

I think you need to protect him on pasterns. He is down on them.
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Post by easy123 » Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:33 pm

You can quit worrying about the down pastern thing. It is no longer a selection criteria.

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Post by bcbully » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:52 pm

Your right about that. I have seen way too many judges pick pigs that are way down on their pasterns, but I don't want that in my pigs.

It's a nice thing to have Kim Brock judge our county fair. He definitely selects against down pasterns.
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Post by IndianaMom » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:52 pm

There are a lot of boars that are down on their pasterns but from what I saw this summer the judges are downgrading hogs with this problem. I call it a problem because if judges won't pick a pig to win because of broke down pasterns then it is a problem for the showpig industry.

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Post by easy123 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:53 pm

For starters, I agree with you. It's a fundamental problem that will affect performance (like that actually matters) when you consider the amount of farrowing difficulties that are accepted.
You must of missed the 2012 Crossbred Classic! I heard it many times, "There is too much good in this gilt to not use her just because she is down on her pasterns".
Fischer could have drawn the line by putting those pigs down in class but he chose to use them. Also, 5 nipples on one side is no longer an issue either, using the same reasoning to overlook another basic production requirement. The incessant chase of wider and heavier boned is creating some fundamental problems that will be difficult and challenging to breed away from.

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Post by fatalmaster » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:06 pm

So your saying if the best gilt you have raised and you think that she is the best in the country you would ship her if she had 5 on one side? Nobody cares anymore, if that 5 titter can make a champ barrow who cares how many she has. We are not raising commercial hogs and emphasis is not on productivity.

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Post by mtbkmom » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:51 pm

Making a champ piglet and raising a piglet to grow as a champion could be more than a reality if there are only 5 teats on one side and the sow has 14-16 babies---too much fighting/scraping for the teat line up battles---high stressed litter...decreased immune system...increased susceptibility for infection...increased injury to legs, hips, feet. I would never keep a sow with just 5 teats.
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Post by showtime1 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:57 am

mtbkmom wrote: I would never keep a sow with just 5 teats.
Well the thing is she had 12 not 5. Would you keep your best gilt if she had a 6-6 underline?

I'm not saying I don't worry about that stuff because we do. But I'm just playing devils advocate.

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Post by mtbkmom » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:27 pm

What are you doing playing devil's advocate....HA! I will say that was a blanket statement on my part...not knowing details could be an exception to the thought behind just 5 on one side---like...was she missing the teats toward the front legs (better producing) or toward the rear legs (less productive). Still I think 7 on one side and 5 on another could be a nightmare for the pecking order of the litter...this is all a matter of preference & I just can't see being a root cause of stress in a litter by perpetuating less than desirable breeding traits.
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Post by hampy622 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:23 pm

Its a breeding show underline quality should matter. Letting a gilt go that is down on her pasterns is one thing but underline quality shouldnt be completely over looked.

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Post by NEB » Mon Oct 01, 2012 9:46 pm

Hope all this answers your question, COshowdad.

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Post by TVG » Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:25 pm

LOL agreed NEB!

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Post by showtime1 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:10 am

so whats the difference between a 5-7 and 6-6 then?

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Post by hampy622 » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:01 am

Thats not my point, its the toughest crossbred show in the country underline quality should be important. I followed Fischer most of the day just wasnt crazy about the gilt he used.

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