14% Feed?

[mjstp]

I thought the 909 was 14% protein?

[kgb]

It used to be. It was reformulated in November to 17% protein, 6% fat and 1.05% lysine.

[mjstp]

So, no more 14% feed from Honors?

[kgb]

No. We have 16% in 809.

[hogwaller75]

So what has the new 909 tested like? what kind of result can we expect from it? Should it be feed instead of 809?

[kgb]

It is still a meal (ground feed). 17% crude protein, 6% crude fat, 1.05% lysine.

Excellent palatability. We found during testing pigs that folks had given up on because they became "dead heads" because they didn't eat well, at the new 909 (Magic Bullet) extremely well. And in many circumstances rebounded and not only made it to show, they actually became some of the better pigs they had on feed.

Look for excellent intakes, full bellies, more muscle shape, softer but still muscular.

[mjstp]

Will 16% 809 be the lowest percentage of protein in the Honors line or do you see them coming out with a lesser protein feed? I am feeding a 14% with .75% lysine and I wish there was something with less. We have a gilt and her inner leg muscles are extremely hard (tight). I know its more genetics than feed. But looking for any help.

[thekidfan]

So why not replace the 16% and keep the 14%? Cant wait to see how this "reformulation" affects prices

[kgb]

Yes, 809 will be the lowest protein % feed in the HSC Showpig feed lineup.

I guess I should have stated that the new 909 (named Magic Bullet) is way more than a "reformulation". It is a totally NEW formulation. The reason is that the sales on the old 909 were dwindling to nothing. It wasn't going to be around for very long the way it was anyway.

Now, it is NOT protein that is important... it is lysine that is important. Protein (crude protein) is comprised of dispensable and indispensable (nonessential and essential) amino acids. Dispensable or nonessential means that these amino acids can be synthesized by the pig's metabolism in sufficient quantities to meet the pig's nutrient requirements.

Indispensable or essential amino acids cannot be synthesized at all or cannot be in sufficient quantities to meet the pig's requirements. Lysine is chief among those because it is first limiting.

If you merely look at protein you don't know how much of that protein % is dispensable or indispensable. You do if you look at lysine.

Now, the old 909 was 14% protein and 0.9% lysine. HSC 809 is 16% protein and 0.85% lysine. So, you still have something that you can feed to soften muscle.

In addition, just looking at the % lysine or % protein only tells you half the story. It comes down to grams per day. NOT % per day. For example if you want to just look at protein % ok, 14% protein vs 16% protein:
6 lbs per day 14% protein: 6 X 453.6 X 0.14 = 381 grams protein (there are 453.6 grams in 1 lbs).
to get 381 grams of protein from 809 : there are 72.6 grams in 1 lb of 809.

381 / 72.6 = 5.25 lbs 809.

So on a protein basis, 5.25 lbs of 809 = 6 lbs of the OLD 909.

As far as how much the "reformulation" will increase cost, the answer is ZERO increase for this year.

Hope this has helped. I believe you will really like the new 909.

[mjstp]

[gobigorgohome]

So.... is the new 909 something that can be fed all the way through?

[kgb]

Yes. Big can be fed anytime. But it's best fed immediately following a high fat diet.

[rockB]

Would you recommend feeding this to gilts for Expo or state fair breeding gilt shows? If so, what be the best feeding strategy to get the best results from 909? We enjoy feeding breeding gilts but haven't been able to quite get the look that the winners have.