Guilt wont eat ONLY 21 days till show

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Guilt wont eat ONLY 21 days till show

Post by chrisb1031 » Tue May 20, 2008 9:17 am

I have guilt I was checking weight every 2 weeks she was averging 2 pounds a day on a 14 day pierod. she then droped to 1.7 then 1.5 and now is only gaining 1.2 still on a 14 day agerage we have 21 feeding days left till our show. I weight her on Friday the 16th and she was at 190 I am feeding Moorman 116. I have tried 3D oil, corn oil, eggs powdered milk dry and wet. Our Min is 225 on this 1.2 pound I will be 10lb short What can I do

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Post by Q-Bar » Tue May 20, 2008 11:20 am

Try to get her to eat apples, pears, bananas, canned is ok, jellybeans, give her a shot of b-complex, ribovlavin is the part of the b-complex that works.
Now, does the pig act like a sick pig, or does it just not like the food? Animals sometimes refuse feed just because they know it isn't good for them.
Maybe there is something wrong with the food that you can't see. Of course I will use high selenium grains as an example, they are terribly bitter and will cause an upset stomach.

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Post by osage101170 » Tue May 20, 2008 11:55 am

chrisb1031,

If you don't get alot of replies do a search. There has been alot of good feeding advice given on the forum. Also, post more info. Let people know where the general area you live in is(don't get to specific), the temperature, the conditions the pig is housed in, if it's had any past or present problems, the general breeding, gender, ect. It seems to me the more info you give the more willing people are to take the time to give advice. Good luck.
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Post by paulshowpigs08 » Tue May 20, 2008 12:17 pm

I would back off of the fat a bit. I know your feeding it because you need more cover. I have had to make this sacrifise before and I still won the show with a pig that I thought needed more cover....!! Heres what you do continue to feed her all she wants Cut the fat products in half. put your paylean at nine grams IF YOUR FEEDING IT this will cause her to put on more fresh growth without losing much if any fat. Also get some yogurt and feed her two cups a day. This will keep her guts working at a faster pace. Every afternoon give her some wet feed in a seperate feeder this will make her more interested in eating more. When it comes to weigh in day feed her all she wants 2 to three hours prior to show. Then hold back on water until 30 minutes before you get over the scales. LET HER DRINK UNTIL SHE REFUSES TO DRINK ANYMORE. EVERY GALLON IS 8 POUNDS!!
This will get you in the show if you stuff her every day. Once you get in the show try to fill her up with beet pulp of full tank if you can find it. This will make her look full. WATER WATER WATER AT THE END!! GOOD LUCK!!

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Post by 2rivers » Tue May 20, 2008 1:14 pm

When was the last time it was dewormed?

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Post by chrisb1031 » Tue May 20, 2008 1:27 pm

Thanks for the replys. She does not act sick she seems to stay very busy and likes to play. The last day or 2 we mixed powder milk very runny with her feed and she seemed to like it alot but will only eat very little of it. I tried to just leave it and it just goes bad. we live 1 hour east of dallas and it is getting very hot and I afraid she may even drop her daily weight ever more and not make the weight. I have not had her on any palylen

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Post by chrisb1031 » Tue May 20, 2008 1:35 pm

We are new to this i was told they were wormed when Igot them in Feb and the moorman medicated feed had wormer is it to late to give them wormer with only 21 days left what is good to use

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ATGARD? SWINE WORMER

Boehringer Ingelheim

(dichlorvos)

For the removal and control of the sexually mature (adult), sexually immature, and/or 4th stage larvae of the whipworm (Trichuris suis), nodular worms (Oesophagostomum sp.), large roundworm (Ascaris suum) and the mature thick stomach worm (Ascarops stongylina) occurring in the lumen of the gastro-intestinal tract of pigs, boars, and open or bred gilts and sows.

Active Ingredient: The packet contains 0.40 oz of dichlorvos (2,2-dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate) in a stabilized polyvinyl chloride/plasticizer resin pellet.

NADA 043-606, Approved by FDA

For use in animals only

Description

Atgard? is a broad-spectrum swine anthelmintic (dewormer) in the form of non-digestible, rice shaped resin pellets impregnated with the active ingredient dichlorvos.

The preparation is an uncoated, rice-shaped resin pellet, approximating one-eighth inch in length and one-sixteenth inch in diameter, the active ingredient of which is dichlorvos (2, 2-dichlorovinyl dimethyl phosphate). It is designed to be administered to swine in limited amounts of a meal-type (non-pelleted) ration. When used according to directions, the active ingredient (dichlorvos) release rate is sufficient to provide for high anthelmintic efficiency but not of such magnitude as to exceed the degrading (detoxification) capacity of the pig. This characteristic provides a wide margin of safety comparable to or exceeding many drugs used in the field of animal health.

Anthelmintic Spectrum and Activity

Common Name
Scientific Name
Developmental Stages Shown Susceptible
to Dichlorvos

Roundworm
Ascaris suum
Sexually mature (a), sexually immature (b),
and/or 4th stage larvae (c)

Nodular Worms
Oesophagostomum sp.
Sexually mature (a), sexually immature (b),
and/or 4th stage larvae (c)

Whipworm
Trichuris suis
Sexually mature (a), sexually immature (b),
and/or 4th stage larvae (c)

Stomach Worm
Ascarops strongylina
Sexually mature (a)


(a) Full sized parasite; produces eggs

(b) Sometimes called 5th stage larvae, incapable of egg production

(c) Minute in size, much too young for egg production.

Table One (1) illustrates the preparation's efficacy against sexually immature and/or 4th stage larvae of the roundworm, nodular worms, and whipworm respectively in naturally infected pigs individually treated with the recommended dose in feed. In all trials, the anthelmintic efficacy was well over ninety percent (90%).

Table 1

Ref.
No. Pigs
Avg. Body Weight (lbs.)
Worms Eliminated/Worms at Necropsy (Percent Efficacy)

Roundworms
Nodular worms
Whipworms

1
64
31.8
410/0 (100%)
66/4 (94.3%)
1,693/9 (99.5%)

2
6
46.5
69/0 (100%)
63/0 (100%)
119/7 (94.4%)

9
98
36.9
652/13 (98%)
826/55 (93.8%)
1,545/9 (99.4%)


Table Two (2) illustrates the preparation's efficacy against sexually mature adults of the roundworm, nodular worms, whipworm and stomach worm respectively in naturally infected pigs individually treated with the recommended dose in feed. The anthelmintic efficacy in all trials was consistently greater than ninety-seven (97%).

Table 2

Ref.
No. Pigs
Avg. Body Weight (lbs.)
Worms Eliminated/Worms at Necropsy (Percent Efficacy)

Roundworms
Nodular worms
Whipworms
Stomach worms

1
64
31.8
723/7
(99%)
1,955/45
(97.8%)
13,006/51
(99.6%)
5/0
(100%)

9
98
36.9
423/10
(97.7%)
525/9
(98.3%)
1,259/18
(98.6%)
738/0
(100%)


Table Three (3) illustrates the ability of Atgard Swine Wormer (dichlorvos) to reduce the fecal parasite egg counts in breeding swine, thus helping to minimize premise contamination. When Atgard Swine Wormer is used as part of a regular parasite treatment program in young growing pigs and in breeding stock on a given farm, it becomes an important management factor by gradually lowering the overall parasite exposure rate and subsequent infection levels.

Table 3

Effects of Atgard Swine Wormer on Fecal Passage of Parasite Eggs When Given to Breeding Stock

Breeding Class
Trial Location No.
Total No. Animals
Avg. Body Weight (lbs.)
Results of Individual Fecal Examinations for Parasite Eggs

Roundworms
Nodular Worms
Whipworms

No. Infected
No. Cleared
No. Infected
No. Cleared
No. Infected
No. Cleared

Gilts
1
25
350
25
25
0
-
2
2

Gilts
3
2
400
0
-
2
2
0
-

Gilts
2
24
275
12
12
6
6
17
17

Gilts
5
43
300
37
36
28
23
0
-

Sows
2
53
400
1
1
53
53
0
-

Sows
3
4
400
1
1
4
3
0
-

Sows
5
26
400
8
8
21
21
0
-

Sows
10
24
275
24
24
24
24
24
24

Boars
5
5
400
4
4
4
4
0
-

Boar
1
1
375
1
1
0
-
0
-

TOTALS (all locations)
113
112
142
136
43
43


Parasites and Herd Health

Whipworms, nodular worms, large roundworms and stomach worms do not cause death in pigs unless present in very large numbers. Seldom do pigs harbor a single species, thus the infections are usually mixed. Under modern methods of swine production (concentration and confinement), unless control measures are taken, each group of pigs tend to harbor more worms than its ancestors. These infections adversely affect herd health and performance as follows:

1. Chronic blood loss.

2. Tissue destruction (especially during migratory stages of roundworms).

3. Chronic and sometimes severe inflammation of the intestinal lining.

4. Blockage of secretory ducts (liver, pancreas).

5. Reduced absorptive capacity of the gastro-intestinal tract.

6. Toxin production and release.

7. Enhancement of other diseases.

Improved growth rates, feed efficiency and general herd health have been observed following the use of formulated dichlorvos. The best opportunity for receiving such benefits will be afforded by treating pigs as early in life as is practical, i.e., five (5) to six (6) weeks of age and again four (4) to five (5) weeks later. Additional treatments to feeder pigs may be dictated by extreme re-exposure rates on the premises and other management practices which favor rapid parasite development.

Gilts, sows and boars should not be ignored in a general parasite control program. These animals can serve as constant sources of infective eggs and larvae. To minimize contamination from the breeding stock, it is recommended to treat these animals routinely one (1) week prior to breeding and again one (1) week prior to farrowing.

Clear economic responses will not always be obtained by the use of the product. Variablility in such responses will be directly related to the degree of dichlorovs-sensitive parasite populations present in the treated animals.

Toxicology and Reproduction

Extensive field and laboratory trials with various formulations of dichlorvos have shown that the preparation, as recommended, is safe to use. The wide margin of safety is comparable to or exceeds most drugs used in the field of animal health.

Atgard Swine Wormer given at the recommended dosages to breeding swine has been shown not to have any adverse effects on production. It does not cause abortion or premature births, impaired fertility, fewer pigs per litter, or decreased litter survival or performance.

Parasite Control

Push-button swine parasite control is the dream of some, but it is yet to be accomplished. One is working with an animal that has been thousands of years in the making and a host-parasite relationship that has come about over eons (geological ages) of adjustment. The parasite's life is one of a large income without work, security without effort and protection without fear. In order to perpetuate this type of life, nature has amply provided mechanisms to ensure continuation of the species. The primary mechanism is concerned with massive egg production and the ability of these eggs to remain infective under a variety of conditions.

In order to obtain the maximum benefits from the Atgard preparation, the following general points will be helpful.

1. Establish or maintain proper nutrition, care, housing and sanitation.

2. Worm control is similar to weed control - never let a parasite go to seed.

3. Consider every pig as an individual and meet its needs.

a. Provide adequate feeder space.

b. Separate small pigs from larger pigs and treat both lots separately.

c. Follow dosage directions.

d. Estimate the weights of pigs correctly.

e. Remove normal rations before initiating treatment.

f. Do not treat pigs with an appetite impaired due to disease. Correct the deficiency by proper treatment first.

g. Do not treat pigs showing signs of increased peristalsis (scours, diarrhea). Correct with proper therapy and then treat for worm removal.

1. Treat pigs as early in life as is practical, i.e., five (5) to six (6) weeks of age and repeat the treatment four (4) to five (5) weeks later.

2. Treat sows seven (7) to ten (10) days before breeding and farrowing. In the Midwest where nodular worms are a problem the infective eggs do not survive freezing. Carrier sows maintain infection from season to season. The treatment of sows during the winter months will minimize warm season contamination rates.

3. Frequently consult your practicing veterinarian, extension specialist, or university parasitologist on how to best meet special parasite control needs.

Use Directions

The preparation is designed to be mixed into a dry meal or crumble-type rations. The product cannot be adequately mixed into pelleted feeds nor should it be used in liquid or semi-liquid rations. The contents of the two (2) packet sizes provide for a single anthelmintic treatment for the number of pigs in various weight classes and for breeding swine as follows:

Pig Dosage Table

Pig Weight (lbs)
Number of Pigs/Packet
Pounds Feed/Packet
Pounds Feed/Pig

20-30
60
20
0.33

31-40
45
25
0.56

41-60
30
30
1.00

61-80
25
25
1.00

81-100
20
20
1.00

Adult Gilts, Sows, Boars
20
80
4.00


To incorporate in the ration, open packet(s), pour the contents on the feed and mix thoroughly on a clean, impervious surface.

Administer medicated feed shortly after mixing. Do not allow swine access to feed other than that containing the preparation until the treatment is complete, after which normal feeding should be resumed. Preconditioning swine by overnight fasting is not necessary nor recommended. Do not treat swine with signs of increased peristalsis (diarrhea, scours) until these signs subside or are brought under control by proper medication. Consult a veterinarian for assistance in the diagnosis, treatment and control of parasitism.

In feeder pigs, the best results will be obtained by treating at five (5) to six (6) weeks of age on an individual litter basis, prior to the time when dichlorvos-sensitive gastro-intestinal nematodes have had the opportunity to reach full egg-laying potential. Repeating the treatment four (4) to five (5) weeks later will afford the maximum anthelmintic value from the product and will help to minimize premise contamination. The utilization of specially constructed pens which are used only for deworming purposes and that can be thoroughly cleaned after each use will further reduce such contamination.

In those instances where lots of pigs of mixed sizes are to be treated, maximum anthelmintic efficiency will be obtained by segregating comparable sized pigs into individual lots.

In gilts and sows, optimum results will be obtained by treatment approximately one (1) week in advance of breeding and farrowing. Preferably these treatments should be given away from the farrowing and nursing areas.

Example

Separate similar sized pigs into individual lots or pens for treatment.

Do not allow swine access to feed other than that containing Atgard Swine Wormer. Waterers do not have to be shut off. Normal feeding should be resumed after the treatment is completed. Do not store unused feed containing Atgard Swine Wormer.

Warning

Do not store unused packet(s) contents or medicated feed. Unused contents and feed containing Atgard Swine Wormer should be buried 18 inches deep in the ground and covered in a manner rendering it unavailable to man, animals, or fowl. Avoid contact with the skin. Keep out of the reach of children. Do not use in any animals other than swine. Do not allow fowl access to feed containing the preparation or to manure from treated animals. Atgard Swine Wormer (dichlorvos) is a cholinesterase inhibitor. Do not use this product on animals simultaneously or within a few days before or after treatment with or exposure to cholinesterase inhibiting drugs, pesticides or chemicals.

If human or animal poisoning should occur, immediately consult a physician or veterinarian respectively. Atropine is antidotal.

Store at less than 80?F.

There is no pre-slaughter withdrawal period when used at the recommended dosage level.


Atgard? is a Registered Trademark of Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica, Inc.

Product Information

Code
Size

610-711
Net Wt. 1.92 oz (54.6 g)


610701F-01-9909

Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica, Inc., St. Joseph, MO 64506 U.S.A.

NAC No.: 10280061

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Post by Darin » Tue May 20, 2008 2:05 pm

stewierod says, "too long. didn't read it". :lol: My favorite quote!

Good info. though. Atgard should help you if there are worms present. I would suspect though that heat has a lot to do with it also. Keep the pig as cool and comfortable as possible and offer fresh feed and treats regularly. Lots of fresh cool water.

What are you using for water? I've seen pens with a nipple-waterer hooked to a garden hose with the hose being exposed to direct sunlight. The water inside the hose got so hot during the day that the pigs would not drink from the nipple. Point being, make sure the water is fresh, cool, and in plentiful supply.
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Post by osage101170 » Tue May 20, 2008 2:46 pm

Also, make sure when you get home at the end of the day the pig still has quite abit of water left. It's been hitting in the low to high 80s here and I've had to haul alot more water than I would have expected. I'll bet where your at is worse. Right now I'm using 4 inch PVC pipes 5 foot tall. If it is not at least 1/4 full when I get home I add another. In some pens I have 3, but, my pigs don't do without water. You want to make sure your pig has plenty of cool water.

Check this out too for cooling you pigs in the heat.
http://www.dripdepot.com
For less than $100 bucks I ordered enough equipment to mist 8 pens of pigs and 2-3 show cows. Or at least I think I did. lol :lol: It should be delivered today and I'll have a better idea of how good of an idea it was in a few days.

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Post by hampy622 » Tue May 20, 2008 7:24 pm

I would worm your pig and give a shot of nuflor or draxxin sounds like your pig either has worms or is sick. I would then get some appetite express and mix that in with your feed. I would highly advise you not to do as qbar said and mix apples, pears and jellybeans in as you are just filling the pig with junk and it will do absolutely nothing in terms of getting your pig back on feed and eating again. If you are use cakemix or gatorade.

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Post by CHOPSTER » Tue May 20, 2008 10:04 pm

appitite express is really good at getting their guts back in good shape. one trick that has worked for us is to hold the feed back for a couple of feedings. this gets them really hungry. then let them eat as much as they want for about half an hour and take the feed away untill the next feeding(2-3 times a day). a pig can put down alot of feed in a half hour, more than they actually need. some pigs just seem to lose intrest in eating when feed is in front of them all the time. another advantage to feeding them this way is that they will eat when you want them to eat. especially when your trying to get some feed in them before going into the ring. we always hand feed our pigs twice a day. and have had very few instances getting them to eat when we wanted them to eat.

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Post by chrisb1031 » Wed May 21, 2008 10:31 am

Thanks to all I gave her a dose or wormer. I also got a shot of Pond Water from our Vet. It has B-12 and other items to help stimulate her appetite should take affect in 24 hrs :)

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Post by 2rivers » Wed May 21, 2008 10:45 am

Let us know how it all turns out.

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Post by paulshowpigs08 » Wed May 21, 2008 8:37 pm

Keep her in some shade if possible. Also if you have your water hose above ground the water could be getting very hot. This will cause a pig to drink only when it has to. Gatorade works great at show time to get them to drink it is also a good source of electrolytes. Get some cheap box fans if you can. The more comfortable the pig is the more it will eat and drink. Water is very crucial simply because they will not eat if they won't drink. GOOD LUCK!!!

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