paylean poison?

Hog_Whisperer · Post by **Hog_Whisperer** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:40 am

OH now I get it.

You are wanting to try and boost your ratings a bit by showing up at a livestock forum and causing trouble then broadcasting the results!

Wow, Talk about weak.

No wonder he won't answer a direct question or show any shread of research to back up his obviosly erroneous statements.

You sir exemplify all that is wrong with todays media.

rod · Post by **rod** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:57 am

you pig farmers are somrthing else. the basic question posed was...... is it worth disturbing an export market worth millions, to satisfy the showring demands of a couple of barrow jockeys. do you think the tysons and smithfields of the world would support your alleged abuse of this drug? you all sound guilty. on the first day of law school, they teach you that if the law is not on your side, argue the facts. if the facts aren't on your side, argue the law. if neither are on your side, start calling names. look at the number of views on this post, all are not in the showpig biz, you've got major media doing research. good luck, and i'll leave you with this.--In American agriculture, when was the last time you did the same thing as everyone else, and ALL of you were right.

Non-Sequitor · Post by **Non-Sequitor** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:22 am

When both are on your side argue both, which has been done by those responding to you.

When neither are on your side ignore the facts and continue with your hyperbole.

You never asked your basic question. You began the thread simply quoting a foreign news source. You then proceeded to accuse unnamed teens of mixing rations well beyond recommended dosages, implying that we who read this forum are complicit in these acts. You stated that this jeopardizes our export markets; it would also jeopardize the export markets of the other 22 countries that allow the use of ractopamine. You concluded your post questioning why this product was legal and another was not.

You received 2 well reasoned and factual responses to your inquiry to which you responded with innuendo and muck raking. Yet, you have the nerve to respond with a demeaning comment such as your latest response.

Hog_Whisperer · Post by **Hog_Whisperer** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:29 am

If the "Major media" is doing research on a small showpig forum. I am VERY worried about what they are reporting on a daily basis.

Now the word Alleged shows up. The word used when one doesn't have facts to back up his claims.

You have been asked repeatedly to show facts and provide links to the research you have done. You have failed to provide either of those two simple requests. Now you come on and just like clockwork throw out psuedo accusations then give us the old "I'm taking my ball and going home" line.

djrpigs · Post by **djrpigs** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:39 am

If you go back to 4/28/07 you will see a post by rod. It mentions the possible feeding of tainted dog food to show pigs by a OK. breeder.
NO ONE replied to this post , it took 3 months for him to come up with
something else negative to post. If nobody would have replied to this post , maybe he would have moved on.
How someone on a farm talk show can be so bias I do not know.
He should be promoting all things agri. If I ever pass through
LaSalle , IL & here the call letters WLPO you can bet your last dollar
that I will turn the channel.
DON
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If it's worth doing , do it right the first time !!
Dad[/quote]

angusguy · Post by **angusguy** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:12 am

i worked for an export company, and we shipped dairy heifers, swine, goats and horses all over the world including the asian rim. the koreans were the worst, but the tiawanese werent bad to deal with. however for all of them it comes down to PRICE.
their larger farms are govt owned, and the small farmers are for the most part small. they use our technology. they also use it against us when purchasing our genetics. whenever they come up with some issue like this, it all has to do with getting the price down. their health standards for the food that they produce are nill, so they use our high standards against us for price. simple, predictable, and it has always worked for them.
the koreans. now that 's a differnt animal all together.

RingMaster · Post by **RingMaster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:04 am

Rod,

Did we not already clarify that ractopamine is NOT a drug? I also suggest researching on the percent of the slaughter market these show pigs make up. If you present us with some real facts you may actually have a point to make, but until then, you're just blowing hot air.

kgb · Post by **kgb** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:08 am

Clarification purposes only: the FDA DOES classify ractopamine HCl as a drug and regulates it as such.

RingMaster · Post by **RingMaster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:58 am

I thought it wasn't classified as a drug because there was no withdrawal period from paylean?

rod · Post by **rod** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 12:27 pm

maybe we should take a poll of the 4hers at the fair and go with what they say. yeah lets teach kids the virtue of hard work with a pig project enhanced with a drug. then when we're having a porkchop together, we'll start complaining about how Barry Bonds succeeded because of performance enhancing drugs. or we could change the 4 H motto to"to make the best better, with drugs".

RingMaster · Post by **RingMaster** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:01 pm

Rod,
Have you ever eaten pork purchased from a grocery store? Chances are that animal had been fed paylean. You seem be functioning just fine except for your head.

rod · Post by **rod** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:28 pm

I have a hog processed for my family every 6 months at the sheffield locker in sheffield il. I know how it's bred and raised. I'll buy loins in the supermarket once in a while, but they're dry and tasteless compared to what I buy on the hoof. Plus, i'd rather the $ went to my friend Keith than Joe Luter. So, are you ready for non ractopamine pork? We've got non posilac milk. non gmo grain. etc. In addition to my question, that by the way hasn't been answered, some of you lack basic critical thinking skills. my neighbor is growing soybeans this year for non trans fat cooking oil. and for years we were told, and believed that margarine was better for you than butter. This happened in part because farmers were mentally conditioned to be active participants in there own demise. If the media had questioned the safety of trans fats ten years ago, more people would be healthier, and more dairy farmers might be in business. too many of you are far to trusting of the wrong people. want me to poll the audience?

dradsick · Post by **dradsick** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:10 pm

let me answer your basic question...

is it worth disturbing an export market worth millions?? of course not. now if your thought process was rational you would know that it will never get to that point. i'm sure the pork industry has powerful enough lobbyists in washington to make some changes in the laws if the industry was being put at risk.

the title of this thread is "paylean poison". please show me a documented case in which someone was "poisoned" by eating pork with paylean residue. i, for one, trust MY government and the fda much more than i trust the taiwanese!!

one last thing... you seem to be caught up on paylean being a "performance enhancer". i guess, by your logic, we should outlaw feeding high percentage protein feeds and electrolytes because they enhance performance in the showring. please post your phone number so we can call in to your show. i'm sure there are some folks on this site that would love the chance to destroy u in a debate.

Darin · Post by **Darin** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:15 pm

Nothing wrong with offering consumers plenty of choices and letting them decide what to purchase. Those who choose to believe the fear mongers will have a good alternative that way. Meanwhile, the rest of the industry can go on producing pork based on science rather than emotion.

Darin · Post by **Darin** » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:21 pm

I for one, would not want to do anything to help boost the ratings of his show (which seems to be his only objective here). I think he is best ignored.........

paylean poison?

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Rod

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