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Fatal Attraction vs 105
Fatal Attraction vs 105
Ok guys since the little debate about who has impacted the industry the most and one saying 105 and the other saying Fatal attraction. I just wanted to see who you all think has done more? Like I said I am new at this and want to learn about new and old genetics, I don’t want to cause a stir between them it just got me interested in this topic. And there is more traffic here. Thanks
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Well mike if that was the case I would say main attraction would be the best since he sired fatal. But what I think these guys are debating about is witch boar has done the most for this industry? Who will leave the biggest trade mark? By the looks of it fatal at 5-7 years old has produced and is producing out more boars that are siring lots of champions around the nation; and his trend seems to be getting stronger and looking like it’s not going to end anytime soon. I would like to know what other people think
well I was into pigs big time when 105 was siring pigs everywhere. He was phenominal (sp) He would work on just about anything you put him on. His daughters were great show pig producers. He was about 9 years old when he died, so he sired quite a lot of hogs. Hard to stack them up, but 105 gets the edge from me even though he has been gone a very long time. I would be willing to be t if you could go through pedigrees of some of the great crosses, 105 would be back there 3-4 times. I think he produced more hogs than Fatal and more winners to boot, but this is debatable. I even have a pix of him. He was about as ugly as a russian wood hog. Wish I could get a straight story out of Jerry where he really came from. lol
If you don't know bloodlines, OLD bloodlines and don't know McLemore personally, you don't really know what a brillent hog man he is. He alone with the sows that he had and has can change or bring back a breed in two generations. He is the MOST interesting person I have ever heard judge a show on the mike. He knows what he knows does not care if you don't agree with him, but has been proven right over and over and over. Anyone remember the great hamp boar the Belt? nuff said, and there are 1000's of others that were more influential in hogs today than fatal and I respect fatal a great deal, but nothing could come close to the old 105 boar. His genius in hog genetics is unmatched. Piggy
well eddie thats some what true but how many other stud boars did main attraction put into stud. how many fatal litters have you farrowed sure he makes great ones but there is also a lot of sort in the hogs. when 105 was hot granted what we were after back then was true muscle, base width and bone were not near as important as now. but we could breed a sow to him and sell every pig in the litter not really the case with fatal
piggy jerry really did raise him i heard a story that he had purchased his sire black jack at a sale barn thinking that he could work on his hamp sows guess he was right.
piggy jerry really did raise him i heard a story that he had purchased his sire black jack at a sale barn thinking that he could work on his hamp sows guess he was right.
Look at Fatal's pedigree; Main Attraction (Can't remember how he was bred) x chrome x final answer. 105 is in there a few times on the bottom side, I'm pretty sure that Chrome was a line bred 105 son and I want to say that Final Answer was a Slam Dunk x Barracuda. For those of you who can't remember barracuda sired Alley Cat at Duelm's. I'm also pretty sure that Barracuda came from McLemore's and had 105 in him (Piggy correct me if I'm wrong), so Mike is absolutely correct in that Fatal would not exist if 105 had never been raised, hands down 105 had more influence in the crossbred world.
Barracuda was a 105 x Rukus. Rukus was a pure hamp from Newlin's. Barracuda was Alley Cat's sire.
105 was The Ritz x Blackjack. The Ritz needs no introduction. Blackjack was an Pietrain cross that was bred by Bill Range of Illinois.
105 was The Ritz x Blackjack. The Ritz needs no introduction. Blackjack was an Pietrain cross that was bred by Bill Range of Illinois.
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And that was the trend of the time. I never bred or owned any direct hogs from 105, other a triple bred, wild muslced 105 sow in the early 2000's who was a bit hard, but that is of course in relation to today's standard. By that same token, Fatal has consistanly added bone, width and muscle, but again, in relation to today's standard are all Fatal son's and progeny sound enough? Personally, I think Fatal began to add these traits at the beginning of a trend and has been able to consistantly stamp his offspring with these traits, in the same way that 105 added look and muscle in his era. Don't get me wrong, I have used Fatal and line bred Fatal with success, in the same way people did with 105. The argument that I make isn't that one boar was more successful than the other, as both sires have been extremely popular, it's more so that without 105, Fatal would have never been. In my mind, 105, Pistol Pete and the purebred hamp JSE5 The Ritz 4-3, were the boars that revolutionized and kick started the crossbred show pig world. Has Fatal been successful, without a doubt yes, was 105 successful, without question yes. Would Fatal exist without the influence of 105, no.